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		<title>By: Jojy John A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jojy John A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The protestant church &#039;protested&#039; and then split from the Catholic church, like we all know. Some protestants despise the fact that their origins lie with the Catholic church. So they will do everything they can to deny facts, as is observed in the answers provided here.

The fact is that there exists close to thousands of denominations in the protestant church and most of them have conveniently chosen Catholicism as a sort of punching bag to enhance and strengthen their weak beliefs.

Its another story that some of these denominations are very recent, having split from other protestant groups. These groups too will have to trace back to the Catholic church as their origin.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The protestant church &#39;protested&#39; and then split from the Catholic church, like we all know. Some protestants despise the fact that their origins lie with the Catholic church. So they will do everything they can to deny facts, as is observed in the answers provided here.</p>
<p>The fact is that there exists close to thousands of denominations in the protestant church and most of them have conveniently chosen Catholicism as a sort of punching bag to enhance and strengthen their weak beliefs.</p>
<p>Its another story that some of these denominations are very recent, having split from other protestant groups. These groups too will have to trace back to the Catholic church as their origin.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: peace</title>
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		<dc:creator>peace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 08:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.painsley.org.uk/re/signposts/Y8/3-1Church/christianity_family_tree.htm
No, all protestants trace to the RCC
The above is the &quot;family&quot; tree of Christianity.  As one can see the ONLY form of Christianity that did not derive specifically from the RCC is the Orthodox, but prior the schism even the modern day Catholics and Orthodox are siblings.

Peace in Christ.


P.S.  Some will notice the Baptists way done there on the bottom, hmmmm.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
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No, all protestants trace to the RCC<br />
The above is the &quot;family&quot; tree of Christianity.  As one can see the ONLY form of Christianity that did not derive specifically from the RCC is the Orthodox, but prior the schism even the modern day Catholics and Orthodox are siblings.</p>
<p>Peace in Christ.</p>
<p>P.S.  Some will notice the Baptists way done there on the bottom, hmmmm.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Bride of Squidward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bride of Squidward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 08:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None of them trace back to the RCC, except for the Anglican Church maybe.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of them trace back to the RCC, except for the Anglican Church maybe.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Catholic          @        Heart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catholic          @        Heart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any denomination that uses a Bible is using a Catholic Book. 
It is &quot;no secret&quot; the Catholic Church compiled it through the Power of The Holy Spirit.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;RC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any denomination that uses a Bible is using a Catholic Book.<br />
It is &quot;no secret&quot; the Catholic Church compiled it through the Power of The Holy Spirit.<br /><b>References : </b><br />RC</p>
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		<title>By: Annsan_In_Him</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annsan_In_Him</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There have been at all times since the formation of the Roman Catholic church brethren who have resisted its demands for unquestioning obedience to unbiblical practices / doctrine. (That&#039;s not to say ALL its practices and doctrines are unbiblical. Clearly, many of them are scriptural.) They have been called by many names: Cathars, Novatians, Paulicians, Bogomils, Albigenses, Waldenses, Lollards, Anabaptists, Mennonites, Stundists and very many more, including many Baptists and Independents and assemblies of Brethren.

The problem is that the Catholic church persecuted them - horribly -  sometimes to torture and death, or to engineering Muslim hoards to attack them. Their literature and heritage was destroyed almost completely so virtually the only accounts we have of them are from their persecutor. Many of those groups preceded the Protestant Reformation.

It isn&#039;t necessary to trace the line of any group back, to see if it is &#039;pure&#039;. God will not judge us on the basis of what denomination we belong to! Most Protestant groups today certainly did emerge from the Catholic church, and the Anglican and Episcopal communities are, for example, remarkably close to Catholicism even though they are Protestant. But there are very many groups that retain such distinctive Protestant beliefs and practices that they are in no way linked to the unbiblical aspects of Catholicism.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Pilgrim Church by E.H. Broadbent (Pickering 1985 - originally written in 1931)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been at all times since the formation of the Roman Catholic church brethren who have resisted its demands for unquestioning obedience to unbiblical practices / doctrine. (That&#39;s not to say ALL its practices and doctrines are unbiblical. Clearly, many of them are scriptural.) They have been called by many names: Cathars, Novatians, Paulicians, Bogomils, Albigenses, Waldenses, Lollards, Anabaptists, Mennonites, Stundists and very many more, including many Baptists and Independents and assemblies of Brethren.</p>
<p>The problem is that the Catholic church persecuted them &#8211; horribly &#8211;  sometimes to torture and death, or to engineering Muslim hoards to attack them. Their literature and heritage was destroyed almost completely so virtually the only accounts we have of them are from their persecutor. Many of those groups preceded the Protestant Reformation.</p>
<p>It isn&#39;t necessary to trace the line of any group back, to see if it is &#39;pure&#39;. God will not judge us on the basis of what denomination we belong to! Most Protestant groups today certainly did emerge from the Catholic church, and the Anglican and Episcopal communities are, for example, remarkably close to Catholicism even though they are Protestant. But there are very many groups that retain such distinctive Protestant beliefs and practices that they are in no way linked to the unbiblical aspects of Catholicism.<br /><b>References : </b><br />The Pilgrim Church by E.H. Broadbent (Pickering 1985 &#8211; originally written in 1931)</p>
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		<title>By: Quantum Black Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quantum Black Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 06:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most &quot;Christians&quot; will have no idea what you are talking about, and those few that do will not come out here to perform the vital public service of spreading Divine Knowledge.

The only church I know of that would not trace back to The Roman Catholic Church is the ETHIOPIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH. There must be an Egyptian church that is not answerable to Rome for anything, because that is where CONSTANTINE, the First POPE got his Bible. (i.e. The Alexandrian heretics.)

The Second World War was about Spain, Italy and Germany wiping out the other churches that were rivals to The Roman Catholic Church- namely, the Russian Othodox Church, The Anglican (Episcopalian) Church, and the aforementioned Ethiopian Church.
Mussolini and Hitler got concoordats from The Pope authorizing their murder spree. This is a matter of historical record, which is publicly acknowledged

I was born into Anglicanism, but have been Born Again, and am not part of their system any more.

   REVELATION 18:4.

4. And I heard another voice from Heaven, saying, 
&quot;Come out of her, My People,
that ye be not partakers of her sins,
and that ye receive not of her plagues.&quot;

THOSE WHO WERE never tainted have no occasion for chauvinism against those who were somehow trapped in The Great Whore.
According to John, GOD RECOGNIZES those True Believers as HIS PEOPLE- though they still have to come out.

If anyone cannot hear The Voice of God telling them to COME OUT OF BABYLON, they are obviously NOT His People!

   REVELATION 13:18.

18. Here is Wisdom.
Let him that hath understanding
count the Number of the Beast:
for it is the Number of a Man;
and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

THERE ARE SEVERAL interpretations which are touted to divert people&#039;s attention from THE MAIN VILLAIN, which is The Roman Catholic Church. They tend to be complicated. The people whom John wrote to were ordinary, simple folk, and never went to MIT, nor worked for NASA. The simplest explanation would be the best:

Greek, Hebrew, and Latin used some of their alphabets as letters.
The Roman numerals were:

D = 500
C = 100
L =  50
X =  10
V =   5
I  =   1

1,000 used to be &quot;C&quot; backward, followed by &quot;I&quot; sandwiched by &quot;C.&quot;
This was, in time, replaced by the familiar &quot;M.&quot;

If the letters used as numerals in John&#039;s time were added up, they would total as 666. This is very simple, but it took year before we heard about it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;SABOTAGE? by Jack T. Chick.
THE GODFATHERS, by Jack T. Chick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most &quot;Christians&quot; will have no idea what you are talking about, and those few that do will not come out here to perform the vital public service of spreading Divine Knowledge.</p>
<p>The only church I know of that would not trace back to The Roman Catholic Church is the ETHIOPIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH. There must be an Egyptian church that is not answerable to Rome for anything, because that is where CONSTANTINE, the First POPE got his Bible. (i.e. The Alexandrian heretics.)</p>
<p>The Second World War was about Spain, Italy and Germany wiping out the other churches that were rivals to The Roman Catholic Church- namely, the Russian Othodox Church, The Anglican (Episcopalian) Church, and the aforementioned Ethiopian Church.<br />
Mussolini and Hitler got concoordats from The Pope authorizing their murder spree. This is a matter of historical record, which is publicly acknowledged</p>
<p>I was born into Anglicanism, but have been Born Again, and am not part of their system any more.</p>
<p>   REVELATION 18:4.</p>
<p>4. And I heard another voice from Heaven, saying,<br />
&quot;Come out of her, My People,<br />
that ye be not partakers of her sins,<br />
and that ye receive not of her plagues.&quot;</p>
<p>THOSE WHO WERE never tainted have no occasion for chauvinism against those who were somehow trapped in The Great Whore.<br />
According to John, GOD RECOGNIZES those True Believers as HIS PEOPLE- though they still have to come out.</p>
<p>If anyone cannot hear The Voice of God telling them to COME OUT OF BABYLON, they are obviously NOT His People!</p>
<p>   REVELATION 13:18.</p>
<p>18. Here is Wisdom.<br />
Let him that hath understanding<br />
count the Number of the Beast:<br />
for it is the Number of a Man;<br />
and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.</p>
<p>THERE ARE SEVERAL interpretations which are touted to divert people&#39;s attention from THE MAIN VILLAIN, which is The Roman Catholic Church. They tend to be complicated. The people whom John wrote to were ordinary, simple folk, and never went to MIT, nor worked for NASA. The simplest explanation would be the best:</p>
<p>Greek, Hebrew, and Latin used some of their alphabets as letters.<br />
The Roman numerals were:</p>
<p>D = 500<br />
C = 100<br />
L =  50<br />
X =  10<br />
V =   5<br />
I  =   1</p>
<p>1,000 used to be &quot;C&quot; backward, followed by &quot;I&quot; sandwiched by &quot;C.&quot;<br />
This was, in time, replaced by the familiar &quot;M.&quot;</p>
<p>If the letters used as numerals in John&#39;s time were added up, they would total as 666. This is very simple, but it took year before we heard about it.<br /><b>References : </b><br />SABOTAGE? by Jack T. Chick.<br />
THE GODFATHERS, by Jack T. Chick.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 06:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is actually a fascinating subject.  All denominations actually at some point had something they felt strongly about and wind up splitting off.  I leave a reference to a classic on the subject.  It&#039;s called &quot;Enthusiasm&quot;.  Ana-baptists are one of the first subjects.  They believed strongly that infants should not be baptized.  That &quot;Enthusiasm&quot; and others are explained to be somehow in error but with a grain of truth.  The baptists, for instance, were right on the fact you need to consciously commit to your faith, yet were didn&#039;t understand that baptisim bestows grace regardless of the strength of will of the reciever.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;Enthusiasm by Ronald Knox.

http://www.amazon.com/Enthusiasm-Chapter-Religion-Reference-Centuries/dp/0268009325</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is actually a fascinating subject.  All denominations actually at some point had something they felt strongly about and wind up splitting off.  I leave a reference to a classic on the subject.  It&#39;s called &quot;Enthusiasm&quot;.  Ana-baptists are one of the first subjects.  They believed strongly that infants should not be baptized.  That &quot;Enthusiasm&quot; and others are explained to be somehow in error but with a grain of truth.  The baptists, for instance, were right on the fact you need to consciously commit to your faith, yet were didn&#39;t understand that baptisim bestows grace regardless of the strength of will of the reciever.<br /><b>References : </b><br />Enthusiasm by Ronald Knox.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Enthusiasm-Chapter-Religion-Reference-Centuries/dp/0268009325" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Enthusiasm-Chapter-Religion-Reference-Centuries/dp/0268009325</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bill C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 05:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By definition, a Protestant church is one that was formed by breaking away from Catholicism. Most of these churches began during the Reformation period, and would include Lutherans, Anglicans, Presbyterians...

Denominations that came later didn&#039;t come out of Catholicism, and so are not Protestant.

There are also a few churches that did come out of Roman Catholicism, but do not consider themselves Protestant. These would include the various independent Catholic churches.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By definition, a Protestant church is one that was formed by breaking away from Catholicism. Most of these churches began during the Reformation period, and would include Lutherans, Anglicans, Presbyterians&#8230;</p>
<p>Denominations that came later didn&#39;t come out of Catholicism, and so are not Protestant.</p>
<p>There are also a few churches that did come out of Roman Catholicism, but do not consider themselves Protestant. These would include the various independent Catholic churches.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Preggo IRISH Kate!!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Preggo IRISH Kate!!</dc:creator>
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		<description>Christianity in and of it self traces back to the Catholic faith given to us by Christ but my real answer is anyone who is not Catholic can not trace their religion back to Christ but to simply a man like Martin Luther or Smith, or Calvin. So they do not trace their roots to us in the Catholic Church because they bought into the heresy of these simple men, hook, line and sinker. They may get their bible from us but their whole way of worship is missing the sacredness of the Catholic Rites and Rituals.

Just Opinion, No Links Necessary.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;Love, 
Kate

Pray the Rosary

Catholic is the definition of Christian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christianity in and of it self traces back to the Catholic faith given to us by Christ but my real answer is anyone who is not Catholic can not trace their religion back to Christ but to simply a man like Martin Luther or Smith, or Calvin. So they do not trace their roots to us in the Catholic Church because they bought into the heresy of these simple men, hook, line and sinker. They may get their bible from us but their whole way of worship is missing the sacredness of the Catholic Rites and Rituals.</p>
<p>Just Opinion, No Links Necessary.<br /><b>References : </b><br />Love,<br />
Kate</p>
<p>Pray the Rosary</p>
<p>Catholic is the definition of Christian.</p>
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		<title>By: Sniper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sniper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 04:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not just primoa!!! Chris/CJ too!!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not just primoa!!! Chris/CJ too!!!<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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