How do I explain to Catholic religion teacher that Mormons are Christians?
I’m 15. I go to Catholic school. I am Mormon, today my teacher and I got into a big arguement. She said that were not christians. We ARE! I explained and explained and explained but she wouldn’t budge. Plus now that she elaborated my beliefs, ppl think I’m a nut. How do I get accross that were Christians?
SImply tell them (him, her, they) that you believe that Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world; you believe that Jesus Christ atoned for the sins of all mankind, and that by his name only can anyone get into heaven. Tell him that through the grace of Jesus Christ, eternal life is possible. Tell them that you believe in Christ, he is the center of your religious worship, and that you remember his sacrifice upon the cross when you partake of his sacrament every week in Church.
And, if they do not accept that you are Christian, it becomes their issue and their problem. Not yours. What matters is if Christ thinks you are Christian, not what any mortal man thinks.
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May 25 2009 11:52 pm | Catholic
My avatar makes me look Jewish.. on 26 May 2009 at 5:02 am #
Tell your teacher to keep her faith to herself, and you’ll do the same too.
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Karenita EWTN on 26 May 2009 at 5:43 am #
pray about it. if it starts to escalade ask your parents to step in. I’m Catholic and although I don’t agree with your church I still believe you are Christian
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avomatic on 26 May 2009 at 6:21 am #
Catholicism views people from protestant denominations as apostate and non-Christians, they may be “believers of Christ” but by refusing the sacraments of the catholic faith, they remain heretics.
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Emma G on 26 May 2009 at 6:52 am #
Well…
We’re the Church of Jesus CHRIST of latter day saints…
We believe in CHRIST
We follow CHRIST
CHRIST is basically our foundation..
That makes us Christian!
Some people know this but they still think we’re not Christian so I really don’t know.. Just let her believe what she wants to believe I guess..
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stpolycarp77 on 26 May 2009 at 7:01 am #
I’m sorry to break it to you again but your teacher is right. Mormon baptism is not the same baptism prescribed by Jesus Christ Himself. Thus they cannot be considered “Christian” in the proper sense.
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haysoos2 on 26 May 2009 at 7:11 am #
Just face that fact that some people are morons.
In this case, that includes your teacher.
If she is unwilling to listen to evidence and dogmatically sticks with a rigid, inflexible and incorrect version of what Christianity “is”, then there’s nothing you can do about it.
Just ignore her, remember to discount her opinion on any other topic in the future, and word your responses to her questions in light of the fact that you know she is a moron with a biased world view, and get on with your own life.
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R Rosskopf on 26 May 2009 at 7:18 am #
If she won’t accept the dictionary definition, then there is nothing you can do. She must be really threatened by our church, to go to such measures.
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Ladydi on 26 May 2009 at 7:33 am #
Ask her the definition of a Christian is. Make sure you have the answer backed up out of a dictionary.
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Thomas The Servant on 26 May 2009 at 7:54 am #
Joseph Smith created Mormonism. Many things were changed and added in/to Joseph Smith’s version by many different mormon people that its no longer considered Christian. You kind of have to define what Christian is to get an answer.
Is Jesus the Messiah?
Is Jesus God?
Is the only way to the Father through Jesus the Son?
Did Jesus die for our sins?
Was Jesus raised from the dead 3 days after his death?
Is Jesus alive now sitting at the right hand of the Father?
Mormonism teaches that we’re all created spiritual brothers and sisters, even Jesus and Lucipher. That by being a perfect mormon, that anyone can become a god and go and populate their own planet. There are many other things that were changed/added.
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strplng warrior mom on 26 May 2009 at 8:23 am #
Being argumentative isn’t going to help you. The best thing you can do is be the best person/student you can be – show charity and long suffering. This will chage your teacher’s attitude towards Mormons [not over night, but slowly]. From there, one can share information [not necessarily conversion - but facts of the mission of the church, an exchange that we are in agreement on certain issues such as the necessary ordinances for salvation and exaltation, etc] finding common ground. This will slowly change their beliefs about who Mormons/LDS are –
If time is short – then all you can do is bear your testimony to the divinity of Jesus Christ and His role as the Savior of mankind.
best wishes
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Edge on 26 May 2009 at 9:09 am #
You don’t. Mormons are not accepted as Christians by mainstream Christianity. You hold beliefs that are incompatible with the Bible. In addition mormonism is polytheistic which is incompatible with Christianity.
Sorry not trying to be mean but it is the truth.
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Kerry on 26 May 2009 at 9:48 am #
SImply tell them (him, her, they) that you believe that Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world; you believe that Jesus Christ atoned for the sins of all mankind, and that by his name only can anyone get into heaven. Tell him that through the grace of Jesus Christ, eternal life is possible. Tell them that you believe in Christ, he is the center of your religious worship, and that you remember his sacrifice upon the cross when you partake of his sacrament every week in Church.
And, if they do not accept that you are Christian, it becomes their issue and their problem. Not yours. What matters is if Christ thinks you are Christian, not what any mortal man thinks.
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♥allecat♥ †EWTN† on 26 May 2009 at 10:20 am #
Sorry, but your teacher is right. You belong to a cult that uses Jesus as a front, but when the doctrine is looked at closer, it is found to be unbiblical, so hence you aren't truly a christian. Now you can behave as a christian, even though the church you belong to isn't really a christian church.
Now it would be nice to hear your teachers side of the story, because hey, you said you two got into a big argument, but you want us to judge just by your testimony. That's pretty whacked, and wouldn't stand up in a court of law.
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falisrm on 26 May 2009 at 10:33 am #
Dan, that’s life. Only 6% of pastors think we are even Christian. Some people are pretty ignorant about religion.
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skepsis on 26 May 2009 at 11:16 am #
The problem is in the definition of “Christian”. According to the Catholic Church, a Christian must believe the Nicene Creed, which includes belief in the divine trinity. Since Mormons aren’t trinitarian, you won’t be able to convince her.
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diggit_23 on 26 May 2009 at 12:00 pm #
There are 2 main reasons that LDS are not considered Christian, the first is our belief in the Godhead (that they are separate beings) and the second is our belief in continuing revelation to a modern day prophet.
Elder Holland addressed this very issue at the last 2 general conferences. The first talk, “The Only True God and Jesus Christ Whom He Hath Sent” talks about our belief in the Godhead and why it is a Christian belief. The second talk, “My Words … Never Cease” is about continuing revelation.
You can find both talks by searching for them at http://www.lds.org. Elder Holland’s talks are amazing and really get to the heart of the issue.
Don’t worry about convincing your teacher, just explain what you believe and let her think about it. Keep your testimony, share the gospel, but Bible bashing just causes contention. Stay strong and good luck!
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cristoiglesia on 26 May 2009 at 12:20 pm #
Mormonism is not Christianity in any orthodox sense of the term. It is a polytheistic religion more akin to the pagan Roman and Greek religions than the teaching of Christ and the apostles. It is truly a Church founded by men and teaching doctrines of men.
That being said Mormons are family oriented people with good morals. They are just deceived by false teaching. The worst of their teaching says that Jesus was a liar when He said that the gates of hell will not prevail against the Church, they claim that it has and has fallen upon apostasy. Calling Christ a liar is not the mark of a Christian Church. God bless!
In Christ
Fr. Joseph
Note: Contrary to what one answerer said, Jesus did not teach immersion Baptism by words or example. The Bible is silent on the method of Baptism. Nowhere does it state that one is immersed or that anyone ever was immersed. The only early writing showing the methods of Baptism is the "Didache" which explains three methods that are acceptable.
Note: Another answerer stated that Catholics believe that non-Catholics are not Christian. This is false. We believe that anyone who can confess the Nicene Creed is a Christian for it explains the true belief in Him. Apostasy is a broader and more in depth subject that can and does separate one from the true faith. An example would be Arianism like the Jehovah Witnesses or Polytheism like the Mormons.
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CLRK on 26 May 2009 at 12:25 pm #
http://lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,23-1-775-15,00.html
http://lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,23-1-851-30,00.html
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Mary Redshirt on 26 May 2009 at 1:12 pm #
God knows who you are and what you believe.
God's love for you and your's for Him, and your faith in Jesus Christ overrides the silly opinions of people. They don't know–and yet they point fingers.
You just won't be able to convince some people. That's the way it is. Just hold your head high and thank Heavenly Father that you know the truth. Contention is a tool used by the devil–Satan wants people to fight over religion because that is a way to crumble people's faith in God. So don't fall for being a tool in Satan's hands.
Just tell people who insist that they are right about "what you believe" that you have love for your Saviour, that you believe He redeemed you of your sins, and that you know that the only way to eternal glory is thru Jesus Christ (what is taught by the church, of course.) Leave it at that.
Let them insist what they want to. You know your own heart. Hold your head high and know that God loves you for your faith
People who say that Heavenly Father doesn't love you because you are Mormon are people who are allowing Satan to use them as mouthpieces. (I would feel sorry for these people.)
ps–Where do people get the audacity to profess to know God's mind???? Where do people think they get the authority to judge others???
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pono7 on 26 May 2009 at 1:57 pm #
first i would really look up things that she used to dispell the church. then i would go to your bible dictionary and look up cross references that show our doctrine and teachings are biblical. one of the big things that churches cannot agree on is the trinity. unfortuantley attacking the man made concept of the trinity isn't going to help your case- so on that you might just have to agree to disagree- or just bear your testimony of it. there is nothing in our church doctrine that is not backed up by scripture- biblical scripture. (i would stick to the bible, because verses from other scripture isn't going to mean much to anyone else)
i would love to help you out in detail if you want. i don't have email contact on here- but if you add that you want me to contact you i will.
i have a little experience in this area, since i have had to defend my beliefs to some very stubborn people
**once you have done your research and prayed for some help and guidance, i would GRACIOUSLY ask your teacher if you could have a few minutes of her time. first off explain that you are aware that there are differences between your denominations, and that you have no intentions of converting other people or making others question the catholic beliefs (probably a concern of hers) but that when she debated that you were not christian it hurt your feelings. you have devoted much of your time and life to learning of Him and trying to live a good Christ like life, and it hurts your feelings that someone would so easily demean that because of differences in point of view. ask her if she has time to go over a few disagreements so that you might better explain your beliefs, not for the purpose of conversion but rather for tolerance and understanding. tell her that you have had an open mind about catholicism, and wouldn't be in the school if you didn't, and ask that she do the same for you. then if she has the time talk with her. if not leave a paper or write an essay on why you are christian. include scripture references to key doctrinal differences- especially those that she used against you. focus also on similarities. (will require some research of the catholic faith to do so adequatley) explain to her that just because there are differences, as there are in every denomination, does not demean the common ground that we all share. that Christ is our Savior and Redeemer, and that He died and atoned for us. And that we must do what we can to follow His commandments and teachings. and that one of the greatest things that Christ taught was to love one another- and treat others accordingly. that judgement is not ours, but His. that because of this debate others are judging you, and treating you differently. when you weren't able to properly or adequately defend yourself. that if maybe the next time a discussion comes up on mormonism that it be done in a way that respects both parties religous choices and not done in the haste of emotions. i hope that helps you- again i would not mind helping you on the actual material to bring to her- just let me know. (it's just way too much to write on here- and i have already written way too mcuh!)
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Jacob on 26 May 2009 at 2:08 pm #
Ive tried to post this and had it not take twice ^^^THANK YOU YAHOO!!!!^^^
Anyway… While we share many similarities with them, we are different in many ways…
We think of Christ as a resurrected being, full of Glory and grace and we portray him as such. We focus on the fact He is alive and resurrected.
Catholics portray Christ as a bloodied dead body hanging from a cross- an emblem of torture and murder. They dont show him as living, they show him as dead.
We pray to our father in heaven in the name of jesus christ and receive answers through the holy spirit.
Catholics pray to christ through mary and in the name of other “saints.” Their “answers” come through the bible alone. God no longer speaks to them.
We believe in continuing revelation and guidance from God. We believe it is available to all people.
Catholics believe revelation stopped (interestingly enough) a while before Constantine took over the church in 312AD.
On and on… There are many discrepancies between catholic beliefs and what is plainly stated in the scriptures. These differences are what make us the “salt of the earth.”
Isaiah 2: 2″And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord’s house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.”
If we werent different, what would we have to teach the world? Why would they want to come and learn from us? The world will continue to deteriorate and we will remain a constant. Be thankful for your knowledge and as hard as things might be, know that all things change and things will get easier.
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Nina, BaC on 26 May 2009 at 2:34 pm #
I am sorry dear, you are not Christian. I can see how you believe you are Christian, but Mormons have another gospel and another Jesus.
If you do not believe in Trinity, you are not Christian. Jesus is not a created spirit brother of Lucifer, He is the Alpha and the Omega, and there is only one of that kind
Remember, even Satan believes in Christ and He actually knows who He is. Sata does not have to make you a bad person, He just need to make you doubt the Word of God and reject Jesus as the only true God who has always been here
Seek the truth, you will find out that Mormons are not Christians. Mormons do not think Catholics are Christians either. Mormons believe to be the only true Christians
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laurine97 on 26 May 2009 at 2:51 pm #
Maybe there was some lack of charity on both sides if you got into an argument. But, there ARE fundamental differences in Catholic and Mormon theology on the Trinity. That might be what your teacher was referring to. She may have done it poorly. But it’s a Catholic school and they have the right to teach Catholic beliefs.
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http://www.catholicdoors.com/faq/qu46.htm#answer1
jimi on 26 May 2009 at 3:27 pm #
You can only try your best with religion because all religion no matter how many denominations always believe that they are the only true religion. Not many people know what Mormons believe or the foundation of their faith. Good luck!
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cashelmara on 26 May 2009 at 3:44 pm #
A Christian denomination is an identifiable religious body under a common name, structure, and doctrine within Christianity.
Worldwide, Christians are divided, often along ethnic and linguistic lines, into separate churches and traditions. Technically, divisions between one group and another are defined by doctrine and church authority. Issues such as the nature of Jesus, the authority of apostolic succession, and papal primacy separate one denomination from another.
Roman Catholicism is the largest denomination, comprising just over half of Christians worldwide.
The Eastern Orthodox Church is the second largest single Christian communion in the world.
Protestant denominations comprise about 40% of Christians worldwide,
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the fourth largest Christian denomination in the United States.
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joshsybs on 26 May 2009 at 3:55 pm #
Dan, you go to a Catholic school. You won’t be convincing her!
You and I both know that we are; one small note in her defense, there is less hypocrisy in Catholics claiming to be the only “true Christians” then protestant churches as they thing everybody not catholic is apostate.
In the end, calling someone who professes to believe in Jesus Christ a non-Christian isn’t a very Christian action.
I know that’s a hard thing to combat at 15, but your parents should speak to her or the principal and let her know that it’s simply unacceptable for them to be paying for your education in a religious setting and have your religion openly criticized putting you on the spot in front of your peers.
In the end you need to realize that you don’t need her 3rd party validation of your relationship with Jesus Christ. She won’t be at your judgment bar, Christ will. So what does her opinion matter?
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Senator John McClain on 26 May 2009 at 4:19 pm #
My advice, Don’t worry about it. Even at a Catholic school, it should not make a difference to your teacher or anyone else if you are “Christian” or not. Simply continue to do what you need to, and set a good example. It is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to change a persons mind about this in an argument of doctrines.
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hunnerbunner on 26 May 2009 at 5:07 pm #
Not really fair for a teacher to take on a babe. She does it because she knows she can get away with it. It’s her ego speaking and you’ll have to forgive her I suppose.
Tell her that Christ said, “ye shall know them by their works”. If Mormons behave like a Christian should, then don’t they have the right to claim they are believers in Christ?
Don’t worry over it though b/c Jesus had to put up with this very thing and more (of course) and when you are a true follower, you will suffer similar situations. It’s a privilege to take it (verbal railings and mocking) for Him. Remember that it’s not about you. It’s about Him. If she knew him, she wouldn’t do that to you.
PLEASE read Matt. 15:17-21
He says there “If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.”
Why did they hate him? Because the popular traditional religionists believed he was a false teacher of religion.
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cogito on 26 May 2009 at 5:23 pm #
You see from some of the idiotic answers to your question, and from your teachers position, that some people believe that a Christian is someone who believes exactly as they do, as if they were Christ. Everyone else belongs to a cult.
I recommend you take the dictionary approach. Open a dictionary and read her the definition. Tell her that she isn’t authorized to change the meaning the word. Tell her that you are not a Protestant either.
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Anna M on 26 May 2009 at 5:50 pm #
The Church of JESUS CHRIST of latter day saints.
the Book of Mormon: another tesament of JESUS CHRIST.
not to mention every other primary song mentions his name…
give her an ‘articles of faith card’
srry, i’m not very helpful.
God be with you
mormon in cali.
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soundbyte on 26 May 2009 at 6:36 pm #
Just keep in mind, that it doesn’t matter what “man’ thinks, it matters what the Lord thinks. He knows you follow Him and you are a Christian.
Keep in mind that the world treated our Lord horribly, so don’t be surprised if they don’t treat you so well sometimes.
I admire your courage!
Your brother in Christ.
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LaFawnda on 26 May 2009 at 7:17 pm #
we are Christians and you and i know that. what are some non-Christian thing about us? Other than we have another book and we don’t believe in the trinity. there are many others. But, WE ARE CHRISTIANS.
My friend and I had a little argument about the same thing, I realized that it doesn’t really matter what they think, because you KNOW that it is true. And there is no point in arguing it.
Ask your teacher what she thinks the purpose of saying that about your religion is? Ask her is Christ ever questioned and embarrassed other religions, even if He knew they weren’t true? you have done nothing wrong, point it out to her and say you are following Christ example by not getting into a pointless argument.
Good luck!
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Dr. M on 26 May 2009 at 7:26 pm #
I love how the question is how to explain that you are christian yet people argue that you’re not – thanks!
First – I’d point out to anyone reading that the Christian “Trinity” is not in the bible – the LDS Godhead is referenced three times in the new testament. So much for being unbiblical!
Second – some people you can’t convince. Some people just like to argue and when you argue back with a loon, soon people can’t tell who’s the dummy. You can’t convince everyone – and your faith doesn’t depend on their acceptance. The argument tactic it sounds like she used is “Appeal to ridicule” where she just MAKES it sound ridiculous and therefore it CANT be true – but it’s not an actual argument. Weak minded fools fall for the tactic all the time. I was i nthe military where I was the only LDS person for MILES and my religion was ridiculed very often – but of all the “Christians” I served with at one duty station I was the one who wasn’t going to “exotic dance” bars, reading pornography, swearing or hooking up with girls out of wedlock.
I’m afraid there isn’t ONE answer for all this – but there is a scripture in the BOM that says “And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our cchildren may know to what source they may look for a dremission of their sins.” And I would read that to the class if I felt inspired. I might share the scripture with the teacher. I might request a meeting with the teacher and a senior staff to explain that your religion was disrespected and misunderstood and mischaracterized and since this is a learning institution you thought it “expedient” to educate people as to what we believe on this particular point and would request the opportunity to set the record straight in front of the class.
I’m pretty gutsy, I am the type who would (And recently actually did on a similar point at my university) actually go for that last one there – but that’s just me.
Remember – the religion is HUGE – you don’t know it ALL – but nobody can tell you what YOU “Believe.”
At the very least – chalk it up to experience – but remember we stand as witnesses of him at all times in all places – courage and inspiration wins the day. Whatever you do – do it in sincerity and out of compassion – and you’ll come out on top!
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Catholic/LDS convert….been there…done that.
sexylady is here on 26 May 2009 at 8:03 pm #
By giving her a book of mormon and a copy of the 13 articles of faith.
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Jedidiah C on 26 May 2009 at 8:29 pm #
People have different opinions.
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Allan C on 26 May 2009 at 9:08 pm #
Ask her for her definition of Christian. The answer should be “Follower of Christ”. You are a follower of Christ therefor you are Christian. Just because your beliefs are varied doesn’t mean your not Christian. I too have some issues with the Mormon faith but I do believe you are Christian.
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phrog on 26 May 2009 at 9:26 pm #
Define Christian –
1. Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
A. Do the LDS meet this? Yes. We use the KJV Bible and Jesus is the center and salvation in our religion.
2. Relating to or derived from Jesus or Jesus's teachings.
A. Again Yes. Again KJV. Plus another testament of Jesus and His teachings thru the BoM. Whether your instructor believes or supports the BoM is not the point – that it is all about Christ and His teachings is.
3. Manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus; Christlike.
A. This one is up to you and other LDS members your Instructor may have know. We are all human and prone to mistakes, but on the whole we should be true to our faith. It matters – to us and to others who are watching.
4. Relating to or characteristic of Christianity or its adherents.
A. The characteristic we adhere to is Christ Himself – the atonement, the virgin birth, the savior, the crucifixion, the plan of salvation, the resurrection….
5. Showing a loving concern for others; humane.
A. Again, this lies on the members around.
6. One who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or follows the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
A. The LDS do venerate Jesus as the Christ. We do believe He fulfilled the Messianic Prophecies. We do believe that salvation is provided only through His sacrifice and our coming to Him.
7. One who lives according to the teachings of Jesus.
A. Another one that's down to you.
As you can see – some of these are based in actual doctrine of a church, and some are based on your own personal behavior. Address each one individually. The most important thing is not to take it personally – this is not an attack on you or your beliefs, although it may feel like it. This is an attack coming from a place of fear -fear that maybe they are wrong? Or fear of something not familiar – something different. Maybe this is all about their own doubts. We seldom, as humans, care enough about another religion to bash it unless we percieve it as a threat.
My dad had a great saying – which I keep to myself in religious discussions, but is always in the back of my mind –
'Why assume malice over stupidity.' Maybe your teacher just doesn't know, and this is their antagonizing way of finding out. Remember, it is every bit as important to maintain Christ-like attitude as an example as it is to present doctrine. When all else fails, remember that we each one have our own free agency – They are free to insult and crucify – and you are free to do the same, or not. Hopefully, not.
Good luck.
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Raising Three Ducklings! on 26 May 2009 at 10:08 pm #
You need to get your parents involved on this.
You are never going to be able to change your teacher’s mind. And if she is bigoted enough to do this in front of your classmates, you risk having other problems with her (like grading you down based on personal feelings instead of grading your work based on the quality of the work).
Even though it is a Catholic school and they have the right to teach Catholic doctrines, I seriously doubt the headmaster is going to be okay with the teacher attacking students of another faith. Why? Because that risks the students parents pulling them out of the school, which means a loss of money. Plus, if the parents make a stink out of it and get the media involved, it could hurt the school’s standing in the community.
She doesn’t have to, nor will probably ever, agree with you. But that doesn’t give her the right to attack your faith, either.
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cold grey Ash on 26 May 2009 at 10:41 pm #
Well, first of all, the Catholics and protestants I knew when I was growing up Mormon didn’t think we were Christians – even though we believe in Christ.
(I’m no longer Mormon, but I know how you feel)
That’s because they feel that only religions that believe in the trinity are Christians – Mormons believe in 3 seperate entities – God the father, Christ the son, and the Holy Ghost. Not a combination of all 3 that work together like the trinity.
Personally the trinity never made much sense to me.
Anyway, first of all, you need to talk to her alone – just tell her that whatever she believes is her right to believe but you didn’t like the way she singled you out in class, and made a target out of you for the other kids. You are sorry you lost your cool, but you really would like it if she would just keep her opinions general and not target you specifically.
By the way, is she teaching a religion class or a history/english class? If she is not teaching religion, your parents need to have a talk with the school administrators too – she is overstepping her bounds.
Anyway, my final bit of advice is this: Don’t try to convince her of anything. She will not change, she has been this way for years and will continue to be this way. Your beliefs are your beliefs, not someone elses, and you don’t need to worry what others think of them. Having faith means that sometimes you go through trials for believing what you do. That’s part of being a member of any religion.
Just hold your head high, and don’t give into the temptation to argue about it. If someone asks you about your beliefs, just tell them what you believe, but don’t let people bait you into arguments or fights.
Everyone believes different things. That’s what makes us all unique. Accept it and move on. Don’t let some overzealous teacher make you upset. Have the calm and composure to not care what she says.
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Ender on 26 May 2009 at 10:52 pm #
She is ignorant. She is viewing your beliefs in ways that she wants to, but not in ways that are correct.
Back off it, but strive to talk about Christ and set a good example for her. You’re not going to change her mind any time soon by arguing.
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Nans on 26 May 2009 at 11:15 pm #
Hi there. Really, Mormon doctrine, when you learn about it, denies that Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven. Mormon doctrine says that He is the brother of Lucifer. Please investigate what you are being taught from your Mormon church. Good luck, sweetie and God bless you as you seek Him!
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tkirkmjm on 26 May 2009 at 11:42 pm #
I know how you feel. The “mainstream” Christian world has taken the liberty write their own definition of the term: a definition that leaves Mormons out. This is especially true with denomination which uphold the trinity as a fundamental doctrine.
You may not convince her to accept you as a “Christian,” but you can help her to respect your faith and beliefs. Don’t needlessly fight her on the issue. Show your faith in Jesus Christ by your actions. Years from now she could be having a conversation with a friend, “You know, people really give those Mormons a bad rap, but I had this wonderful student…”
Work hard, live the standards people expect you to live, and when your friends ask you about the Church be prepared to answer them from the scriptures and with clarity. It may take time, but you cannot force spiritual things. You can create a climate for walls to be broken down and seeds to grow. However, you must await that growth, not force.
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oceanwoman78 on 27 May 2009 at 12:25 am #
Its defiantly a different kind of philosophy, therefore what mainstream christianity think of as a christian group, Mormonism does not match up..
I do think it was inappropriate for your teacher to say that do you…
There are HUGE differences…
Note:
Regarding God the Father, the Bible emphatically states:
“The Lord is our God, the Lord is one!” (Deut. 6:4, Mark 12:29).
” I am the first, I am also the last and there is no God besides Me” (Is. 44:6, 48:12, 45:14,21-22).
“the Lord, He is God; there is no other besides Him” (Deut. 4:35).
The Mormon church teaches that “God was once a man who achieved godhood”. In Mormon theology, those who achieve godhood will have spirit children who will worship and pray to them just as we worship and pray to God the Father (Gospel Principles, p.290)
That is most defiantly not a Christian belief…
Becoming GODS…
“Brethren, 225,000 of you are here tonight. I suppose that 225,000 of you may become gods” (from a speech published in The Ensign, November 1975, 1980).
“In each of us is the potentiality to become a God” (Tribune, Oct. 7, 1974).
The Bible teaches that God is unchangeable and that He has eternally existed as God.
In Mormon theology, “God has flesh and bones” (that’s not a christian belief)
The Mormon church teaches that we have a Heavenly Mother as well as a Heavenly Father.
NOTE..
The Bible simply makes no reference whatsoever to a Heavenly Mother nor to a wife for God.
AND
Mormon leaders, Brigham Young in particular, have taught that Adam was God.
Joseph Smith didn’t lead with love. Smith led the people with an iron fist and the intimidation…IMO
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ex mormon
lightgiver on 27 May 2009 at 12:55 am #
Shame on your teacher. She is an adult and should never do that to a student. In addition, do you think her behavior was very Christlike?
Her definition of what a Christian is is definitely different than our definition. You see, we believe that we are Christian because we believe in Jesus Christ and know that he is our Savior. We have a greater understanding of his mission here on earth because we know about what happened before we came to earth and what will happen after we die. We understand fully what Jesus Christ’s mission was and who he is now. They do not.
They on the other hand believe in the Trinity. Which is a concept where they believe that God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are all one being without a body. I am sure you have come across this doctrine at your school.
It is no good arguing with your teachers because they will never change their minds. Especially when you are at a Catholic school and it is Catholic doctrine that they are teaching you. To survive in that situation you could try the following ideas:
1. Politely tell them that you will have to agree to disagree because you do not believe in the same things they do. If they do not respect this, and continue to try to badger you or persuade you that you are wrong, you will need to have a grownup involved in the situation to solve the problem. If your parents are Mormon also, then they should come to your defense and meet with the teachers. They should be very clear that they do not appreciate the treatment of you and your beliefs that they have been dishing out to you. They can be your best defense in stopping the badgering in your classes. They may also insist that she repairs the damage that she has already caused.
2. Do not engage in any further discussions with your teachers on this subject. Have you ever heard it said that you can never teach anyone about spiritual things when you argue? It is true. Only if the person listening has an open mind, and you both feel the presence of the Holy Ghost guiding what is being said can you have true communication and understanding. You know because you have felt it, I am sure, that the Holy Ghost is not present there. Especially when their are arguements and disagreements, so when they begin to put you down for your beliefs just walk away or tune them out.
I would not let them to continue to get away with their treatment of you though. Report it immediately to your parents. It takes two people to argue, so you be the mature one, and don’t argue.
3. Try talking with some of your friends outside of class. Ask them what they thought of what the teacher said about what you believe. Maybe this will give you a chance to straighten the misconceptions out and let them ask you some questions about what you believe in.
4. Remember that those who do think you are a nut are not worth having as friends. Would you judge someone so superficially? Of course not. If they are true friends they will want to hear your side of things and they will not be so quick to judge.
5. Remember that God may use you as an instrument in his hands. You have a unique opportunity to share the true gospel of Jesus Christ with others. The way you act, dress, and the things you say will reflect the way you believe. You have the opportunity to do alot of good. When they see that you are unwaivering in your testimony and that you are a great person, your classmates will remember that you were a Mormon. You see you are planting lots of little seeds that someday may decide to bloom.
6. Strengthen yourself. Not many 15 year olds have to be as strong as you are. You must stay close to your Father in Heaven. Do not go even one day without personal prayer to him, and in reading the scriptures. Preferably the Book of Mormon. I am sure that you study the Bible and the Catholics interpretation of it at school, but to be well grounded in your own faith you must read the Book of Mormon and pray. Ask God for help in your situation, and for a witness and testimony of the truthfulness of the gospel of Jesus Christ and his church. It is imperative that you are unshakeable. You, in a way are on a mission. For you are like a lighthouse on a hill. What you do and say matter and others will judge the church through you.
Strengthen yourself also by becoming involved in the activities that are available for LDS youth. Such as Mutual, stake dances, EFY, Youth Conference, camps, and seminary. These will give you a group of friends that have the gospel in common with you, and will help you to not feel so all alone.
If you would like to talk to someone who is LDS and a mother, you can email me by clicking my picture. I would be so glad to help you if I could. My best advice to you is to turn to your parents who love you. Don’t shut them out. At 15 it is so easy to do, but if you will give them a chance you will find that they will be there for you every step of
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Yoda's Duck on 27 May 2009 at 1:23 am #
First, we need to know why she feels we aren't Christian.
The only reasons I've ever found have nothing to do with our faith in Jesus Christ as the Savior. They're all about other, peripheral doctrines and teachings.
Check out the people here with "duck" in their screen-names…
When I was a kid, I heard someone say that Mormons weren't Christian. Having grown up in this church, that really confused me, so I asked my dad.
He said that if you define a duck as a waterfowl with white plumage,
webbed feet, a wide bill and a distinctive walk and call, you'd be
right… kind of. But you'd also be dead wrong in regards to wild
ducks, none of which are white.
If you define a Christian as a person who believes in and follows the
teachings of Jesus Christ, and believes (insert pet doctrine: trinity,
saved by grace alone, etc), then you'd be right… kind of. But you'd
also be dead wrong in regards to those who believe in and follow Him,
but don't believe in whatever pet doctrine.
I answered a question months (a year or two or three?) ago about why
some think that Mormons aren't Christian, using this analogy. It's
definitely caught on within the LDS community on Y!A, and I've even
seen some non-traditional non-LDS Christians using the term.
Invite her to a formal debate regarding whether Mormons are Christian or not. You will both have to formalize your definitions of "Christian" and give evidence. She'll need to bring proof that Mormonism doesn't fit, and you'll need to bring proof to the contrary.
Bring your Bible, BoM, and a hymn book if you have one.
Scriptures-
John 10:16- other sheep?
3 Nephi 15- defines the "other sheep"
2 Nephi 25:26- just read it- good stuff!
Helaman 5:12- why would we build on Christ if we didn't believe in him?
Article of Faith 1- short and sweet and to the point.
Hymns-
I believe in Christ
I stand all amazed
Jesus once of humble birth
(the list goes on)
Another option- Offer her a copy of the Book of Mormon and two colored pencils. Challenge her to read the book with both colored pencils in hand- Use one color to mark every reference to Jesus Christ- Lamb of God, Holy One of Israel, etc. Use the other to mark every direct quote, each time He speaks. (I've done this, and there are only two pages that didn't have any marks at all.)
Ultimately, you just have to remember that her opinion doesn't matter, and neither does the opinion of any other human being on earth- Father's is the only one that does, and He knows what you believe.
If she can't be decent to her students, then she needs to find another occupation.
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Veritatum17 on 27 May 2009 at 1:44 am #
If there’s a need or opportunity to do so, perhaps going by the Nicene Creed and showing how Mormons believe these as well would help. It is generally accepted that those who believe in the tenets of the Creed (allowing some freedom to interpret the phrase “Catholic”) are Christians. For instance, if someone rejects the Divinity of Christ or the Resurrection of the Dead, we generally do not consider them to be Christians.
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